I am using Moment.js to represent data coming from backend. In my case I have a date
represented in this format "2015-01-02T00:00:00Z". Then I feed it to Moment.Format()
moment("2015-01-02T00:00:00Z").format('LLL')
what comes out of this is "01/01/2015" , which is a different date.
To give more details, we are facing such bug when the timezone of the computer is set to something else.
So, if I am where I am now, let's say Rome and the timezone is set correctly here, moment.Format() returns the right date "02/01/2015". If instead I change the timezone in the system of my computer and for example I put Lima, then it goes to "01/01/2015". How do I make sure the right date is shown without depending on the timezone?
Thanks in advance!
Oh boy.... here we go again with dates :O
Ok so starting off, take a look at this sentence that you wrote
How do I make sure the right date is shown without depending on the
timezone?
And now I raise you this question:
A greek guy ( me ) wants to date you. I wanna take you to dinner, lets
say this Monday 2019/09/23 20:00:00
Now because I told you that I am greek you can infer by the difference in our time zones that my "Monday 2019/09/23 20:00:00" is actually your "Monday 2019/09/23 12:00:00". And you can show up on time, all though my dinner is actually your lunch.
I hope you get my point from this, now onto your case:
You will either:
Only support people's date when they originate from the same time zone as your developing team ( not cool for a project, but many times a company has no need to communicate dates with people from other timezones)
You will have to provide the TimeZone that your date was "constructed with" to moment, so it can resolve the differences to the local time of each user.
You will convert all dates to UTC, so the server will only "speak" UTC times, while the clients will the be free to convert to their needed time zone. You wont have to provide the "original timezone" because of the convention that your dates are always UTC (which implies the "original timezone" actually to 0 )
I hope the above helps to get you some basic understanding of the dates issue.
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I realize this is a commonly asked question but I couldn't find any posts that point out the disadvantages of using/storing offset for user's time zone. Is this not a better and more efficient way?
Long drop down lists of time zones are not user friendly and most of such lists don't have all the cities anyway. They also require user to specify their time zone. I feel it may be much better to simply detect it. In my case, my app is an ASP.NET Core app with Reach front end and it's pretty easy to capture user's time zone offset via JavaScript.
Any reason why storing the offset of user's timezone is NOT a good idea?
Any reason why storing the offset of user's timezone is NOT a good idea?
Yes. Many. A time zone and an offset are not the same thing. A time zone represents a geographical area in which local time is aligned. A time zone may undergo several different changes in its offset from UTC. Some of which are regular (like daylight saving time), and some of which are irregular (like when a government changes its standard time or dst rules).
... In my case, I simply want to display all date time values in user’s current time zone so that they’re meaningful to the user.
Ok, so let's say you check the user's current time zone offset and it is UTC-7. So you apply that to some dates and times in your application and done - so you think. Except that you didn't take into account that the user is in California, and one of your dates is in December when the offset should be UTC-8.
So you try to correct for that, and work out the rules of "when I see -7, it might be -8 sometimes". Except now you have a user come along who is in Colorado, where it is -7 during the winter and -6 during the summer. Or another user from Arizona, where most of the state is in -7 for the whole year. How do you know which set of rules to follow? Without referencing an actual time zone, it cannot be done.
This gets even more complex worldwide. For example, the number of variations for UTC+2 is just crazy. Even for countries that switch between UTC+2 and UTC+3 - they don't all switch on the same dates or at the same time of day!
See also: The Problem with Time & Timezones - Computerphile (YouTube)
and the StackOverflow timezone tag wiki.
One of our programmers decided to use a DATE field in the MySQL db in order to achieve this.
Sending and saving a JS date object did work well until the daylight saving changes intervened (with nasty effects :) ).
Of course, saving the date in a DATETIME field solves it, but everybody sees the time/dates in their own timezone.
We need everybody (all over the timezones) to see the same date!
I clarify this, to get the proper answers:
I want to keep using the DATE field storage type in MySQL (vs DATETIME - ok, maybe too much of an optimization, but it's already there and I want a long term solution for when I receive such structure/code from other developers)
Sending local time (local JS in browser) 23-05-2016, will reach the server as 22-05-2016 0X:X0:00Z (UTC) and be store as such. Because it's a DATE field, the stored value will become 22-05-2016 only. And you lost a day! :)
Our solution from bellow not only fixes the DATE field trimming, but also adds the fact that people now can see the same correct date (23-05-2016) no matter of the timezone they are in!
I like the outcome and would love to see some better solutions to achieve the same and improve the system.
Actually, we have noticed the problem only when the daylight saving time changed, so my solution (as answer bellow) is a good solution for that as well. And it only consumes resources client-side.
I have posted my own solution to this question as an answer bellow.
It would be really cool to see a much better solution from you!
With Javascript
Save your dates in ISO format (including timezone information) and use moment.js to convert the datetime to another timezone.
If moment.js is not already a dependency, and you want to avoid extra libraries, keep reading.
With MySQL
Instead of solving this problem when you write the data (losing timezone information in the process), solve it when you read the database.
In your SELECT query, normalize all DATETIME values to your preferred timezone using the convert_tz built-in function.
MomentJs is your best bet. Find the timezone you want and pass the ISO string to it and you should be good to go.
http://momentjs.com/timezone/docs/#/using-timezones/
A DATE is just a year, month, and day. It doesn't have a time, or a time zone. Think about your birthday or your wedding date, or today's date.
The JS Date object is not this at all. It's a timestamp. It's the number of milliseconds elapsed since Midnight January 1st 1970 UTC.
You should leave your date as a date-only wherever possible. Use the ISO-8601 date-only format, which is YYYY-MM-DD. If you have to assign it a time and time zone, then be very careful when you do.
If you just assign midnight local time, then you're risking losing a day (as you showed), and you're not considering that there are local days in some time zones where midnight does not exist! (Such as the spring-forward day in Brazil). Noon is a safer bet than Midnight, but still you should use this sparingly. The better approach is to keep dates as dates, not as date-times.
Also, I'd answer with code if I could, but you didn't provide any code in your question showing what was broken. Please read How do I ask a good question? and How to create a Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable example. Thanks.
There are more solutions to this, but the fastest and easiest that I could come up with is described bellow:
Let's intervene as early as possible in the information stream.
Just change the data before transmitting it through AJAX.
The function we used is this:
function addTimezoneDiffAnd12HoursToDate(date) {
var timezoneOffset = date.getTimezoneOffset();
date.setHours(12-Math.floor(timezoneOffset/60));
date.setMinutes(-timezoneOffset % 60);
return date;
}
What it does is that it converts a Date to be always at noon (12:00) UTC!
You can use it like this:
$scope.contract.contractDate = addTimezoneDiffAnd12HoursToDate($scope.contract.contractDate);
and send it as such to be stored in the DATE field.
Let me know if you have a simpler solution. I'd like to see it.
So to clarify why I want to do this: I need to send push notifications to users when it's 7pm in their timezone.
For each registered device, I have a timezone string, like "Europe/Paris".
I'm creating a background job which will run every hour. It should fetch the list of users for which it's 7pm, and send them a notification.
So the question I'd like to answer is:
"Where in the world is it 7pm now"
Edit The important thing is to get the timezone, even if it's not formatted like "Europe/Paris", I can do that conversion manually with an array.
There's no built-in support in Javascript for converting the "standard" timezone names (e.g. Europe/London) to timezone offsets.
You mention push notifications so that suggests you're not running in a browser. If you're using Node.js there's a good library I've used called timezone which uses a local set of timezone spec files to handle conversion between timezones.
Note that timezone specs do sometimes change, for example when a national government decides with little notice that they're not doing daylight savings this year. It's vital that your local mappings are kept up to date accordingly.
There may be an easier way to do this, but have a database of users, who have a timezone. Then have a hour difference between your notification server, and that time zone. So your server is in pacific time, and the timezone is eastern, it will have a difference of 3.
Use the difference of the time you want, and what it is on your server, to determine the timezone. You want 16:xx it is 13:xx you get +3 hour difference, use that to look up the time zone, then push to all users associated with that time zone.
There may be an easier way, but that way is real simple solution with a db and a little sql knowledge.
EDIT: Also if you dont mind the time delay of using a web api, you should check this out: https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/timezone/
Whoops numbers were off with the time-zones, Thanks Trent
I need to write a web application that show events of people in different locale. I almost finished it, but there're 2 problems with date:
using date javascript object, the date depends on user computer settings and it's not reliable
if there's an event in a place with dfferent timezone respect user current position, i have to print it inside (). Is it possible in javascript to build a date object with a given timezone and daylight settings?
I also find some workaround, such as jsdate and date webservices, but they don't overcome the problem of having a javascript object with the correct timezone and daylight settings (for date operation such as adding days and so on).
A couple of things to keep in mind.
Store all event datetimes in UTC time
Yes, there is no getting around this.
Find out all the timezones...
...of all the users in the system. You can use the following detection script: http://site.pageloom.com/automatic-timezone-detection-with-javascript. It will hand you a timezone key such as for example "America/Phoenix".
In your case you need to store the timezone together with the event, since a user may switch timezone - but the event will always have happened in a specific one. (argh)
Choose your display mechanism
If you want to localize your event dates with Javascript, there is a nifty library for that too (which can use the keys supplied with the previous script). Here: https://github.com/mde/timezone-js.
with that library you can for example do this:
var dt = new timezoneJS.Date(UTC_TIMESTAMP, 'America/New_York');
or
var dt = new timezoneJS.Date(2006, 9, 29, 1, 59, 'America/Los_Angeles');
where UTC_TIMESTAMP for example could be 1193855400000. And America/New_Yorkis the timezone you have detected when the event took place.
The dt object that you get from this will behave as a normal JavaScript Date object. But will automatically "correct" itself to the timezone you have specified (including DST).
If you want to, you can do all the corrections in the backend - before you serve the page. Since I don't know what programming language you are using there, I cannot give you any immediate tips. But basically it follows the same logic, if you know the timezone, and the UTC datetime -> you can localize the datetime. All programming languages have libraries for that.
You're missing the point of a Date object. It represents a particular point in time. As I speak, it is 1308150623182 all over the world. Timezone only comes into play when you want to display the time to the user. An operation like "adding a day" does not involve the time zone at all.
One possibility might be to use UTC date and time for everything. That way, there is nothing to convert.
Another is to have your server provide the time and date. Then you don't have to depend on the user to have it set correctly, and you don't have to worry about where your user's timezone is.
Use getUTCDate(), getUTCHours(), ... instead of getDate(), getHours(),...
getTimetoneOffset() could be useful, too.
I came across this webpage in which the date of the article is an integer which is formatted by an inline call to a JavaScript function into the string "Nov 6, 2009 10:17am".
The markup looks like this
<small>
<script type="text/javascript">timestamp(1257520620000,'longDateTime')</script>
</small>
Is there a good reason to deal with dates in this way? I'm having a hard time thinking of one.
The best idea I can come up with is they would display in the correct time zone and local format for the visitor.
This may be to deal with times zones and the effect of changes to time for day light saving, so the time is stored as some UTC or Unix time, e.g. a number of seconds/milliseconds since and known starting point. Then rendered for each user based on their location.
This is fairly common on international applications.
I think they want to hide the date from news crawlers