I will start to develop a new Project and i want use Asp .NET core and angular.js but i have a question what is the better way, use asp.net and angular together or separately?
I defined my architecture in this form
Cliente1(Angular)->RestApi->BussinessLogic->DataAccess->DB
yes, i see that my architecture says me that i need manage asp .NET and angular js separately, but I'd like to hear any suggestions.
UPDATE:
thank you for your answers, in the end both they have their pros and cons, i would like to share with you this articles:
Together: http://proudmonkey.azurewebsites.net/asp-net-core-getting-started-with-angularjs-2/
separately:
Part one: https://chsakell.com/2016/06/23/rest-apis-using-asp-net-core-and-entity-framework-core/
Part two: chsakell.com/2016/06/27/angular-2-crud-modals-animations-pagination-datetimepicker/
In general in programming you should separate your logic the most you can.
You will want to separate both projects for so many reasons :
You have a web app right now (angular) but maybe in a near futur you will need to have a mobile app (hybrid or native)
You can be more than one person working on the project, for example you will maybe need some designer/integrator to work on the app, and you dont want to share with him your back end, same applies if you have a back end guy.
two projects means maybe two source control repositories, means more control on branches, versions, rolling back ...
etc ...
I hope this can help.
If I see other benefits, ill update this answer.
Keep them separate, your MVC Part will be mainly REST APIs which has nothing to do with the JavaScript, HTML and CSS in the Angular Project, besides, if you want to build another client, EX: Mobile, then it will have its own project as well, this way you will have a clean structure for your solution.
So, you should have the following:
YourProject.REST
YourProject.Angular
YourProject.MobileClient
Also, the separation will make it easier for the teams working on the project, the one who will work on the front end doesn't have to worry about any other code not related to his tasks, the same for the developer working on the APIs, and each project can be structured as per the best practices for its technology.
You question is opinion based more than facts, so here is my opinion.
I have done few projects with ASP.Net MVC, Web API and AngularJS. They all stay in a single Web Application Project. Note: I have few class libraries for strongly typed Angular Helpers, Business Logic and Data Access.
Here are the advantages
I authenticate user using Owin Middleware, then redirect to Angular. The main advantage is I do not have to maintain Bearer Token or Authentication Cookie explicit inside Angular.
Second, I use csthml as strongly typed Angular view rather than plain html. It is the best of both world.
Last but not least, you can debug it easily rather than starting two projects at the same time, so that I can save resources on development machine. Everyone know Visual Studio is a memory hungry IDE.
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I am trying to create a web-based dashboard platform and framework. The techniques I think about using is either ASP.NET MVC 5/6 (backend and frontend integrated) or a ASP.NET Web API 2 backend and an Angular frontend.
The application should function as an application (host), but also as a framework in which applications can be made. An application in this case is a small web application which can be shown on the dashboards. One of the main bottlenecks I came across is figuring out a way to instantiate the same application multiple times on a dashboard. Since by default doing this introduces ID collision between multiple HTML elements on the web page.
I know Angular kind of 'solves' this problem for you since the scope of your application (looking at an application like it's a component) is maintained by the Angular framework. The reason I mention ASP.NET Web API is because I'd then like to use this as a backend where all the configurations of the applications is stored.
ASP.NET MVC does not (as far as I know) allows you nice ways to handle this, except for rendering the HTML on the server and replacing all HTML ID's to something unique. But even when you manage to do that, you still have the issue of your js files referring to the old not-unique HTML elements. This could then maybe be fixed by using a JS framework that allows you to do such thing.
The reason I ask this question is because I have a lot of experience in the .NET framework and very little experience using Angular. The choice for Angular seems more suited for this use case, but due to my lack of experience in Angular, I am not able to make an arguable choice. I have some experience in ASP.NET MVC specifically, but not enough to also think of a nice way of handling the ID collision issue.
Therefore my question to you, the StackOverflow community, is do you have any experience using any of these frameworks? And if so, what would you choose and why do you think the choice is better suited for the job?
Use angular 2 (or 4) and webapi. Through use of components and parameterized directives, that can solve it. If you need good authentication, that will have to be dealt separately.
I've been learning Angular 2 recently, and I must say that this is a great framework if I wanted to build a single-page application.
However, I was wondering how one would integrate angular with a normal, old style websites (say, built on codeigniter) if they only wanted the two way binding functionality?
Of course, I could use angular 2 for that, but with all the routing machinery of angular, it seems rather... out of place. It just seems like I'm trying to use an axe as a hammer.
So, my question is: what would you suggest to someone who wants to build a non single-page website, with old school loading pages, but for the page itself to be very interactive and utilize two way binding? For example, a users list which is a page in itself, but pagination is done via ajax... etc Should I just go with angular2, or maybe another library that's simply more suited for this purpose? Some suggested that ReactJS may just be what I'm looking for.
What do you think?
Although it's true that
client-side routing is just a small piece
of a very large framework, the fact that the structure of a Angular (2) project has exactly 1 index.html file with no server side code, at least implicitly tells us that there's a lot of framework intended for SPAs which a multi-page application may not need.
If what makes Angular 2 a great framework for you is data binding and productivity then have a look at Ember.js. Ember makes it easy to follow best practices rather than spending time on trivial choices.
Why do we need to use a JS MVC framework(backbone) if we are already using a backend MVC framework(e.g Django or ROR). I can't understand the concept of two MVC frameworks and how they fit together. I thought all front-end related files or logic(html, css, js) come under the views component of the back-end framework. Can someone explain this in simpler terms?
Backbone lies in the client [browser], in order to have fast interaction and experience.
This way you can take advantage of real-time communication via websockets, or LocalStorage for example.
Using a client MVC [MVVM better, in Backbone's case] implies that you just supply a RESTful set of resource from the server [which you can reuse in many other context], and not a full HTML generation stack.
Said that, client side MVC is closer to desktop/mobile UI-oriented MVC implementations [see Cocoa / iOS] than to web-oriented MVC [Symfony, Django, RoR...].
It's mostly because of scalability, every MV* frameworks allows You to make modular code. To give users high experience by using websites, JS code and some fireworks are necessary. JavaScript gives also posibility to relieve backend side from unnecessary computations and because of these simple facts and the scale of currently made websites (huge amount of modules on backend and on frontend side), such MV* JavaScripts frameworks are made and becomes more and more popular.
You may want to look at this post Why use MVVM?
I have been using MVVM and have found it very useful for the front end. Rendering is much quicker and smoother and view-model binding is done on the client-side.
It seems like one of the reasons these JavaScript MVC frameworks started popping was in an effort to to bring some structure to client side JavaScript code. JavaScript has been used more and more in web apps in recent years because it enhances the client side experience so much but when you keep adding more and more, it can quickly become a big cobbled mess of spaghetti code. If you've ever inherited a web app that has tons of JavaScript, you know it can take a loooong time to sort through all the callbacks, functions, DOM manipulation, etc. that is going on just to to grasp how to app works and is tied together. It can be really messy. These JavaScript MVC frameworks help organize and bring structure too all this code so it doesn't get out of control.
I am facing a decision about the web application architecture I am going to work on.
We are a small team and actually I will work on it alone (everybody work on something else).
This application will consist of front-end build on the ExtJS library
and it will use the model "load page, build GUI and never refresh".
On the web "desktop" there will be a lot of data windows, map views (using openlayers + GeoExt) and other stuff.
GUI should be flexible and allow every user to modify (and persist) the layout to fit his/her needs.
It should be possible to divide the application into modules / parts / ... and then let users in specific groups use only the specific modules. In other words, each group of users
can have different GUI available on the web "desktop".
Questions are:
First of all, is this approach good?
There will be a lot of AJAX calls from clients,
may be this could be a problem.
How to handle code complexity on client side?
So far I have decided to use dojo.require / dojo.provide feature and divide the client side code into modules
(for production they will be put together using dojo build system)
I am thinking about to use kind of IoC container on client side, but not sure which one yet.
It is very likely that I will write one for myself, it should not be difficult in dynamic language like JavaScript.
How to handle AJAX calls on server ?
Should I use WCF on server side ? Or just ordinary ashx handler ?
How to handle code complexity on server side ?
I want to use Spring.NET. May be this approach could help with modularity problem.
Data access - here I am pretty sure what to use:
For DAL classes I will use nHibernate. Then I compose them with business classes using Spring.NET.
I would really appreciate some advice about which way to go.
I know about a lot of technologies, but I have used only little part of it.
I don't have time to explore all of them and be fine with the decision.
We do this type of single page interface where I work on a pretty large scale for our clients. (Our site is not an internet site)
This seems to work pretty well for us. The more js you have the more difficult it gets to maintain, so have as many automated js tests as you can and try to break up your js logic in an mvc fashion. 4.0 is supposed to make this much easier.
Ext 4.0 has this built in if you are trying to limit the code you bring down. If you have the same users day after day, then I think it would be best to just bring all the source down (compressed and minified) and cache it.
We've found asmx to work really well. I have nothing against wcf, but last I looked it seemed like more trouble than it was worth. I know they have made many improvements recently. asmx just works though (with a few request header changes and managing the "d." on the client side).
Our Server side data access layer is pretty complex, but the interface for the ajax calls is pretty simple. You have not really given enough info to answer this part. I would start as simple as possible and refactor often.
We are also using nHibernate. Works fine for us. We have built a DDD model around it. It can take a lot of work to get that right though (not sure if we have it right after months of working at it).
If I were you I'd start with just extjs, your web service technology, and nHibernte.
I would recommend ASP.NET MVC 3 with Razor instead of a lot Javascript and calls to Service you can just do ajax calls to an Action in a Controller and that will let you have more maintainable code and use a IoC like Ninject. EF instead of NHibernate.
But it's your decision.
I would look into using a tool like Google Closure Compiler, especially if you're dealing with a very large project. I don't have too much experience with ExtJS, but large projects in JavaScript are hard and something like Closure Compiler tends to make it easier.
How should a complex single-page JS web application be structured on the client-side? Specifically I'm curious about how to cleanly structure the application in terms of its model objects, UI components, any controllers, and objects handling server persistence.
MVC seemed like a fit at first. But with UI components nested at various depths (each with their own way of acting on/reacting to model data, and each generating events which they themselves may or may not handle directly), it doesn't seem like MVC can be cleanly applied. (But please correct me if that's not the case.)
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(This question resulted in two suggestions of using ajax, which is obviously needed for anything other than the most trivial one-page app.)
MVC architecture of PureMVC/JS is the most elegant IMO. I learned a lot from it. I also found Scalable JavaScript Application Architecture by Nicholas Zakas helpful in researching client side architecture options.
Two other tips
I've found view, focus, and input management are areas that need special attention in single page web apps
I also found it helpful to abstract away the JS library, leaving door open to change mind on what you use, or mix & match should the need arise.
Nicholas Zakas's presentation as shared by Dean is a very good place to start with. I was also struggling to answer the same question for a while. After doing couple of large scale Javascript products, thought of sharing the learnings as a reference architecture in case someone needs it. Have a look at:
http://boilerplatejs.org/
It addresses common Javascript development concerns such as:
Solution structuring
Creating complex module hierarchy
Self contained UI components
Event based inter module communication
Routing, History, Bookmarking
Unit Testing
Localization
Document Generation
etc.
The way I build apps:
ExtJS framework, single page app, every component defined in a separate JS file, loaded on-demand
Every component contacts its own dedicated web service (sometimes more than one), fetching data into ExtJS stores or special-purpose data structures
The rendering uses standard ExtJS components, so I can bind stores to grids, load forms from records, ...
Just choose a javascript framework, and follow its best practices. My favorites are ExtJS and GWT, but YMMV.
Do NOT roll your own solution for this. The effort required to duplicate what modern javascript frameworks do is too big. It is always faster to adapt something existing than to build it all from scratch.
Question - What makes an application complex ?
Answer - The use of word 'complex' in the question itself. Hence, a common tendency will be to look out for a complex solution right from the beginning.
Question - What does the word complex means ?
Answer - Anything that is unknown or partially understood. Example : The theory of Gravity even today is COMPLEX to me but not to Sir Isaac Newton who discovered it in 1655.
Question - What tools can I use to deal with complexity ?
Answer - Understanding and simplicity.
Question - But I understand my application . Its still complex ?
Answer - Think twice, because understanding and complexity does not co-exist. If you understand a huge huge application, I am sure you will agree that it is nothing but an integration of small and simple units.
Question - Why all of the above philosophical discussion for a question on
Single Page Application (SAP)?
Answer - Because,
-> SPA is not some kind of core technology that is newly invented for which we need to reinvent the wheel for a lot of things that we are doing in application development.
-> Its a concept driven by the need for better performance, availability, scalability and maintainability of web applications.
-> Its a fairly newly identified design pattern, so an understanding of SPA as a design pattern goes long way in making informed decisions about the architecture of a SPA.
-> At the root level no SPA is complex, because after understanding the needs of an application and the SPA pattern, you will realize that you are still creating an application, pretty much the same way you did before with some modifications and re-arrangements in the development approach.
Question - What about the use of Frameworks ?
Answer - Frameworks are boiler plate code / solution for some commonly identified and generic patterns, hence they can take off x% (variable, based on the application) load from application development but then not a lot should be expected out of them specially for heavy and growing applications. Its always a good case to be in complete control of your application structure and flow but most importantly the code for it. There should be no grey or black areas in the application code.
Question - Can you suggest one of the many approaches to SPA architecture ?
Answer - Think of your own framework based on the nature of your application. Categorize application components. Look for an existing framework that is close to your derived framework, if you find it then use it, if you do not find it then I suggest going ahead with your own. Creating framework is quite an effort upfront but produces better results in long run. Some basic components in my SPA framework will be:
Data Source : Models / Collections of Models
Mark Up for presenting data : Templates
Interaction with the application : Events
State capturing and navigation : Routing
Utilities , widgets and plug-ins : libraries
Let me know if this helped in any way and good luck with your SPA architecture !!
The best thing to do is to look at example uses of other frameworks:
TodoMVC showcases many many SPA frameworks.
You can use javascript MVC framework http://javascriptmvc.com/
The web application that I am currently working on uses JQuery and I would not recommend it for any large single page web application. Most frameworks i.e. Dojo, yahoo, google and others use namespaces in their libraries but JQuery does not and this is a significant drawback.
If your web site is intended to be small then JQuery would be ok but if you intended to build a large site then I would recommend looking at all the Javascript frameworks available and deciding which one most meets your needs.
And I would recommend applying the MVC pattern to your javascript/html and probably most of your object model for the javascript could be done as the json that you actually return from the server through ajax and the javascirpt uses the json to render html.
I would recommend reading the book Ajax in action as it covers most of the stuff you will need to know.
I'm using Samm.js in several one page applications with great success
I would go with jQuery MVC
Check out http://bennadel.com/projects/cormvc-jquery-framework.htm Ben is pretty sharp and if you dig around on his blog he has some nice posts about how CorMVC is put together and why.
Alternative: take a look to ItsNat
Think in JavaScript but code the same in Java in server with the same DOM APIs, in server is way easier to manage your application without custom client/bridges because UI and data are together.
Or have a look at https://github.com/flosse/scaleApp
NikaFramework allows you to create single-page application. Also allows you to write HTML, CSS (SASS), JavaScript into separate files and bundle them into only one output file in the end.
I would recommend to explore Yeoman. It allow you to use existing "best practice" for your new project.
For example:
if you decide to use Angular.js, there is a Yeoman generator, that give you a structure for routing, views, services, etc. Also allow you to Test, minify your code, etc.
If you decide to use Backbone, checkout this generator