What's the difference between socket.io-client and socket.io ?
I also find a bit confusing that socket.io-client also has a section for "server-side usage"
socket-io.client is the code for the client-side implementation of socket.io. That code may be used either by a browser client or by a server process that is initiating a socket.io connection to some other server (thus playing the client-side role in a socket.io connection).
A server that is not initiating socket.io connections to other servers would not use this code. This has been made a little more confusing that it probably should be because when using socket.io, it appears that both client and server are using the same socket.io.js file (because they both refer to a file with the same name), but is not actually the case. The server is using a different file than the client.
From the Github page for socket-io.client:
A standalone build of socket.io-client is exposed automatically by the
socket.io server as /socket.io/socket.io.js. Alternatively you can
serve the file socket.io.js found at the root of this repository.
Keep in mind that there are unique features that belong to client and server so it should not be a surprise that they use some different code. Though they share code for parsing the protocol and things like that, the server has the ability to run a server or hook into an existing web server and it has methods like .join() and .leave() and data structures that keep track of all the connected sockets and is expected to live in the node.js environment. The client has the ability to initiate a connection (send the right http request), do polling if webSockets are not supported, build on a native webSocket implementation if present, etc....
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The title pretty muchs sums it up... I am wondering if there is a way to use socket.io without node.js
socket.io is a library that connects a browser web pages to some server somewhere. There MUST be a socket.io server somewhere that does what you want that you can connect to.
That socket.io server does not have to be written using node.js. There is socket.io support for other languages or environments. The protocol and data format is fully documented so implementations can be written for any environment.
For example, here's a socket.io server implementation in C++.
You can look on github for various server implementations: https://github.com/search?q=socket.io+server.
So my application is running Sails.js, which is an extension of node.js. I'm very new to the JS backend framework scene, and I'm attempting to send a TCP message using a socket from the client side. However, in order to do that I need to require('net'). How can I do this? I don't even see the net module in my node_modules folder - does it not come with Sails.js?
How can I resolve this issue?
Also, just for extra clarification, I need to use require() on the browser side - apologies for not being more clear in my original question.
You can't use the node.js net module on the client side. Browsers don't allow you to access plain TCP sockets. That would enable you to circumvent many of their security features, so it simply is not going to happen.
You can implement realtime communication with your own server with web sockets or a wrapper suck as socket.io, but that obviously doesn't let you talk in arbitrary protocols.
I'm creating an app where the server and the clients will run on the same local network. Is it possible to use web sockets, or rather more specifically, socket.io to have one central server and many clients that are running native apps
? The way I understand socket.io to work is that the clients read the web-pages that are served from the server but what happens when your clients become tablet devices running native apps instead of web pages in a browser?
The scenario I'm working with at the minute will have one central server containing a MEAN app and the clients (iPads) will make GET requests to the data available on the server. However, I'd also like there to be real-time functionality so if someone triggers a POST request on their iPad, the server acknowledges it and displays it in the server's client-side. The iPad apps will (ideally) be running native phonegap applications rather than accessing 192.168.1.1:9000 from their browser.
Is this technically possible to connect to the socket server from the native apps or would the devices have to send POST requests to a central server that's constantly listening for new 'messages'? I'm totally new to the whole real-time stuff so I'm just trying to wrap my head around it all.
Apologies if this isn't totally clear, it's a bit hard to describe with just text but I think you get the idea?
Correct me if I am wrong.
You have multiple iPads running native app. They send a POST request to your node JS server which is running in a computer in the same local network. Whenever the server receives a request from app, you want to display that a request has been received in your computer screen.
If my assumptions about the scenario is correct, then it is fairly easy to do. Here are the steps to do it.
Create a small webpage (front end). Load socket IO in the front end page like this -
<script type="text/javascript" src="YOUR_SERVER_IP/socket.io/socket.io.js"></script>
Then connect to server using var socket = io(). This should trigger connection event in your backend.
Handle all POST request from apps normally. Nothing special. Just add a small snippet in between. socket.emit('new_request', request_data). This sends new_request event to front end.
Handle the new_request in your front end using socket.on('new_request', function(request_data) { ... });. That's it. No need to add anything to your native app for realtime update.
The second step would be a little complicated as it is necessary to make socket variable available inside all POST requests. Since you chose node.js, I don't think you need any help with that.
Not totally clear on your project, but I'll try to give you some pointers.
An effective way to send data between native apps and a server is using a REST server. REST is based on HTTP requests and allows you to modify data on the server, which can connect to your database. The data returned is typically either JSON or XML formatted. See here for a brief intro: http://www.infoq.com/articles/rest-introduction
Android/iOS/etc have built in APIs for making HTTP requests. Your native app would send a request to the server, parse the response, and update your native UI accordingly. The same server can be used from a website using jQuery ajax HTTP requests.
Express.js is more suited to serving web pages and includes things like templating. Look into "restify" (see here: mcavage.me/node-restify/) if you just want to have a REST server that handles requests. Both run on top of node.js (nodejs.org).
As far as real-time communication, if you're developing for iOS look into APNS (Apple Push Notification Service). Apple maintains a persistent connection, and by going through their servers you can easily send messages to your app. The equivalent of this on Android is GCM (Google Cloud Messaging).
You can also do sockets directly if that's easier for you. Be careful with maintaining an open socket on a mobile device though, it can be a huge battery drain. Here's a library for connecting ObjC to Socket.IO using websockets, it may be useful for you: https://github.com/pkyeck/socket.IO-objc
Hope that helps!
To answer your question, it is definitely possible. Socket.io would serve as the central server that can essentially emit messages to all of the client. You can also make Socket.io listen for the messages from any of the clients and serve the emitted message to the rest of the clients.
Here's an example of how socket.io can be used. Simply clone, npm install, and run using 'node app.js'
All you have to do is to provide a valid server address when you connect your socket from the iPad clients:
var socket = io.connect( 'http://my.external.nodejs.server' );
Let us know if you need help with actual sending/receiving of socket events.
It is possible to connect to Websockets from your apps.
If you are using PhoneGap then you need a pluging that gives support to websockets in your app (the client) and then use websocket like normal way using Javascript see this.
If your app is native iOS look into this it could help you.
The primary use of the Sockets in your case is to be a bidirectional "pipe" between an app and server. There is no need of server sending the whole web-page to the native app. All what you need is to send some data from server to the client(app) in response to POST (or GET) request and then using this data on client side to update client's UI in real-time. If you are going to use moderate amount of devices (say tens of them), you may have connected all of them to the server permanently keeping individual socket connection open for every individual link server-to-app. Thus you may deliver data and update client's state in real time.
In fact web browsers also employ sockets to communicate to web servers. However as in general case there is no control on amount of concurrent clients in Internet, for the sake of limited networking resources conservation, servers do not keep sockets open for a long time, closing it just after the web-page was sent to client (or timeout has expired). That's how HTTP protocol works on the low level. The server waiting for the HTTP clients (browsers) by listening the 80 port, responding them by sending the whole web page content, then closing the connection and keep waiting for another requests on the same port.
In your case it's basically a good idea to use socket.io as it's a uniform implementation of sockets (ok WebSockets) on both client and server side. The good starting point is here
To use socket.io on the client side, usually we start a node.js server and go like this:
<script src="/socket.io/socket.io.js"></script>
or with specific port:
<script src="http://localhost:3700/socket.io/socket.io.js"></script>
Question is:
is it necessary to use node.js server to serve socket.io.js ?
...or is it possible to
make a local copy of socket.io.js instead of goes to server every single time we need socket.io?
like, we go to view source and copy everything we got from the source of script tag,
paste and save it as socket.io-local.js so that next time we use:
<script src="socket.io-local.js"></script>
will that work ?
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Thanks for everyone's great response,
I'm asking this because in the case I'm involved, I don't actually have access to the server:
I am writing the client-side to connect to other developer's Socket Sever which is written in Java.
Therefore I'll have to think a way to work around the fact that I don't have a server there for me.
from what I've been testing,
this way seems to work but I really don't know what's happening behind the scene.
You obviously can host the socket.io client library anywhere and pull it in to a page. However, it will almost certainly not work with your Java-based server.
To understand why, you need to understand what socket.io is really doing behind the scenes; the client library is only a small part of it.
Socket.io actually defines and implements its own protocol for realtime communication between a browser and a server. It does so in a way that supports multiple transports: if—for example—a user's browser or proxy doesn't support WebSockets, it can fall back to long polling.
What the socket.io client actually does is:
Makes a XHR GET request for /socket.io/1. The server responds with a session ID, configured timeouts, and supported transports.
The client chooses the best transport that the user browser supports. In modern browsers, it will use WebSockets.
If WebSockets are supported, it creates a new WebSocket to initiate a WebSocket connection (HTTP GET with Upgrade: websocket header) to a special URL – /socket.io/1/websocket/<session id>.
If WebSockets aren't supported by the browser or fail to connect (there are lots of intermediaries in the wild like proxies, filters, network security devices, and so forth that don't support WebSocket requests), the library falls back to XHR long polling, and makes a XHR request to /socket.io/1/xhr-polling/<sesion id>. The server does not respond to the request until a new message is available or a timeout is reached, at which point the client repeats the XHR request.
Socket.io's server component handles the other end of that mess. It handles all the URLs under /socket.io/, setting up sessions, parsing WebSocket upgrades, actually sending messages, and a bunch of other bookkeeping.
Without all of the services provided by the socket.io server, the client library is pretty useless. It will just make a XHR request to a URL that doesn't exist on your server.
My guess is that your Java-based server just implements the WebSockets protocol. You can connect directly to it using the browser-provided WebSocket APIs.
It is possible that your server does implement the socket.io protocol – there are a few abandoned Java projects to do that – but that's unlikely. Talk with the developer of your server to find out exactly how he's implemented a "socket server."
A standalone build of socket.io-client is exposed automatically by the socket.io server as /socket.io/socket.io.js. Alternatively you can serve the file socket.io-client.js found at the root of this repository.
https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io-client
I have a module called shotgun-client that actually wraps socket.io. I needed to serve a custom client script as well as the socket.io client script, but I didn't want every user of my module to have to include multiple script references on their pages.
I found that, when installed, you can serve the generated client script from socket.io by reading the file /node_modules/socket.io/node_modules/socket.io-client/dist/socket.io.js. So my module adds a listener for its own URL and when it serves my custom client script it also serves the socket.io client script with it. Viola! Only a single script reference for the users of my module :)
While this is technically possible, I don't see why you'd need to do that. If you're concerned about reducing the data that goes over the wire, this change won't actually do much beyond the few characters saved in the shorter src tag. Simply changing the location of the JS file on the server won't actually improve performance - the JS has to be sent.
Proper caching (which Socket.IO has) will return a 304 Not Modified (and not re-send the JS file every time you load a page).
I'm making connections via thrift (node-thrift) to a backend server to make api calls, but the communication is bidirectional (push/pull) to NodeJS.
While a user is browsing around different URLs, and Node is churning out jade templates and javascript files via Connect/Express routes, how do I maintain the connection to the backend server, and output (as an example) the connection status as part of the rendered jade output?
I have the connection object, but what do I do with it?
Sockets and port communication is generally a new area for me, so any help would be appreciated.
Keep in mind that backend server is not communicating to the web browser as the client, but rather the NodeJS server as the client.
(updated after discussion in comments)
So it looks like thrift is TCP-based which means the node client is going to keep the connection to your thrift API server open. This is entirely independent of what your node/express app server is doing with the browser clients. So if you keep a reference to your thrift client available to all requests, by attaching it to the app object for example, you should be able to determine it's current status and include that information in HTTP responses to the browser. There's not going to be any automatic coordination or association of any kind between your express app server handling browser HTTP requests and your thrift client making RPC calls to the API server. If you want coordination, you need to code that explicitly, but sending an HTTP response to a browser isn't going to automatically close your thrift TCP connection to the thrift RPC server (and same story vice versa).