how can i track users without cookies - javascript

ok... im looking to have a good round of brainstorming here...
say i was google... the adword/adsense/analytics division. i would be getting a little worried about the future, when users start to disable cookies (or at least delete them on a regular basis), use private browsing, roam on multiple devices. how could google alternatively track users without the benefits of cookies?
some ideas to get started (please elaborate on these and any others):
-track users using some other persistent local/client side storage
-use user-agent string fingerprinting
-test cache response - if user 304's an image, they were here
-track mac address
-any random/out of the box ideas?

Take a look at http://samy.pl/evercookie/, it's a JS API for ultra-persistent cookies, but you can take idea(s) from it's mechanism to find storage for your data.

I think you could do it using custom urls. You would basically ecrypt a cookie and attach it as part of the URL you send to the browser. When it returns, your web server would be smart enough to decode it and track whoever sent it.
I believe the Spring framework can do this in fact.

If your site requires user tracking, then I would have it fail to work if cookies are disabled. Then focus your time and effort on making it a fantastic site for the vast majority of your visitors, and don't worry about the ones who, for whatever reason, have made the explicit decision to disable cookies.
(Made this a CW answer because this is a subjective question that's likely to be closed.)

Information about browser/system/display through js and IP of cause;
Java Applet provide a lot of info about user;
Flash also (e.g. installed fonts);
Modern browsers also provide a lot of information about users (e.g. installed extensions) and provide new ways to save information on client-side (e.g. html5 storage).
altogether: http://panopticlick.eff.org/

you can always resort back to good ol way, the HIT COUNTER.
on page, use tag and link to external image on your server
on your server, when image is fetched, redirect it to php script through .htaccess and record header info about device id etc. {similar code as disabling the hotlinking of image}
Now you have all info, use php_session() to keep a track of it
you can always use js for the same purpose, but using tag will ensure that js is not required and the script will run on all browsers

Related

Is a cookie the only way for jQuery to open a popup only once per user or can jQuery handle IP validation?

There are already numerous questions about jQuery cookie popups, so no need to go into any detail about that functionality. What I want to know is if this is the only way jQuery can handle popups only once per user or a time-based popup per user. I.e. the popup loads when the user first comes to the site and then doesn't load again for a week.
I know there is IP validation, but can jQuery do IP validation and if so, can you point me to a resource? I've searched here for jQuery popup IP validation and so far I haven't turned up anything.
I've said it countless times before and I'll say it again: IPs are a data delivery mechanism, not an identification or authentication tool. IPs are not guaranteed to be unique or stable in any way and are entirely unsuitable for identifying individual users at one machine.
You need to store an identifier on the user's machine somehow to remember for that particular user what he did or didn't do. A cookie is the most obvious answer, local storage, WebDBs, Flash cookies etc. are alternative fallbacks.
I must agree with deceze, considering a company for example could use a single IP while 10+ computers are connected to the web through this IP-address. So if an employee would visit your website the other 9 won't get to see your pop-up because someone with the same IP already visited your website.
But regardless of this being the right approach or not, to get back at you´re question, I came across this SO answer:
How to get client IP address using jQuery
It looks relative easy to get a vistors IP address, even though you should consider you're dependent on a third party this way.
This has more to do with an understanding of how web browsers work and less to do with JQuery. What you need is a way to identify a user. The easiest and most accurate way is a cookie. Something that only the user will have. Plus, you're trying to trying to do this on the client side. The only way for javascript to persist data across requests is via cookies, and for some browsers an Html 5 data persistance structure like IndexedDB.
If you can program on the server you can try to do IP lookups but you potentially get one identifier for multiple devices which can be multiple users. This is because it is common for multiple people to use the same IP (think about how many devices are connected to your home router). You can get more accurate by using the http header value for user-agent. These values are not accessible via javascript.
It may help you to get a better understanding of how http requests and responses.

Tracking the use of my Javascript

Is there a way to track if my javascript code is being used on another site?
I work for a software development company and although I'm not a developer as such I do get involved with some of the more simple Javascript requests we get from our customers.
However, sometimes our customers want to see the Javascript working before agreeing to pay for it. My problem here is that although they are not going to be very technical they may have enough knowledge to look at the page source and effectively 'steal' the script.
Can I either prevent them from doing this or add some kind of tracking to my code somewhere so if they do a simple copy / paste then I can receive notification somehow of the script being used on another site?
Thank you
A few things you can do:
Obfuscate your code so it'll be harder to find out what to copy for non technical people.
Add a line that checks the domain name of the page and throws an exception or does some other trick to terminate if the domain is not your demo server.
Add an Ajax query to your server to validate that the script is allowed to run and terminate if there is no validation.
All said here will only protect against non-technical people. Javascript is an interpreted language and as such the entire code is sent to the browser. A skilled programmer will know to go around your blockings.
it is not easy to track your script over all www but there are ways to protect your js codes. there are plenty of sites for encoding and obfuscation like the site below:
http://javascriptobfuscator.com/default.aspx
They would still be able to use your codes but you can hide some protection codes in obfuscated version like trial timeout values or even posting some values like site url to your server for tracking.
our customers want to see the Javascript working before agreeing to pay for it.
You can achieve a good level of security by setting up a demo machine. Have the users remote into a session to provide a demo of the product. Ideally, a shared session where you can "walk them through it" (aka watch what they are doing).
Similar to a video conference, but this way they can use the browser. Don't make the site public, run the webserver local only (close port 80 on the firewall). Take the remote desktop server down after the demo and change the password.
Use the DOM API to a <script> tag that points to a server-side script on your server and append it to the <head>.
Using jQuery:
$.getJSON('http://yourserver.com/TrackScript', { url: document.location });

Hide urls in html/javascript file

I am using ajax in my website and in order to use the ajax, I habe to write the name of the file for example:
id = "123";
$.getJSON(jquerygetevent.php?id=" + id, function(json)
{
//do something
});
how can I protect the url? I dont want people to see it and use it...
that is a limitation of using client side scripts. there is no real way to obfuscate it from the user there are many ways to make it less readable (minify etc) but in the end an end-user can still view the code
Hi Ron and welcome to the internet. The internet was (to quote Wikipedia on the subject)
The origins of the Internet reach back to research of the 1960s, commissioned by the United States government in collaboration with private commercial interests to build robust, fault-tolerant, and distributed computer networks. The funding of a new U.S. backbone by the National Science Foundation in the 1980s, as well as private funding for other commercial backbones, led to worldwide participation in the development of new networking technologies, and the merger of many networks. The commercialization of what was by the 1990s an international network resulted in its popularization and incorporation into virtually every aspect of modern human life.
Because of these origins, and because of the way that the protocols surrounding HTTP resource identification (like for URLs) there's not really any way to prevent this. Had the internet been developed as a commercial venture initially (think AOL) then they might have been able to get away with preventing the browser from showing the new URL to the user.
So long as people can "view source" they can see the URLs in the page that you're referring them to visit. The best you can do is to obfuscate the links using javascript, but at best that's merely an annoyance. What can be decoded for the user can be decoded for a bot.
Welcome to the internet, may your stay be a long one!
I think the underlying issue is why you want to hide the URL. As everyone has noted, there is no way to solve the actual resolved URL. Once it is triggered, FireBug gives you everything you need to know.
However, is the purpose to prevent a user from re-using the URL? Perhaps you can generate one-time, session-relative URLs that can only be used in the given HTTP Session. If you cut/paste this URL to someone else, they would be unable to use it. You could also set it to expire if they tried to Refresh. This is done all the time.
Is the purpose to prevent the user from hacking your URL by providing a different query parameter? Well, you should be handling that on the server side anyways, checking if the user is authorized. Even before activating the link, the user can use a tool like FireBug to edit your client side code as much as they want. I've done this several times to live sites when they're not functioning the way I want :)
UPDATE: A HORRIBLE hack would be to drop an invisible Java Applet on the page. They can also trigger requests and interact with Javascript. Any logic could be included in the Applet code, which would be invisible to the user. This, however, introduces additional browser compatibility issues, etc, but can be done. I'm not sure if this would show up in Firebug. A user could still monitor outgoing traffic, but it might be less obvious. It would be better to make your server side more robust.
Why not put some form of security on your php script instead, check a session variable or something like that?
EDIT is response to comment:
I think you've maybe got the cart before the horse somehow. URLs are by nature public addresses for resources. If the resource shouldn't be publicly consumable except in specific instances (i.e. from within your page) then it's a question of defining and implementing security for the resource. In your case, if you only want the resource called once, then why not place a single use access key into the calling page? Then the resource will only be delivered when the page is refreshed. I'm unsure as to why you'd want to do this though, does the resource expose sensitive information? Is it perhaps very heavy on the server to run the script? And if the resource should only be used to render the page once, rather than update it once it's rendered, would it perhaps be better to implement it serverside?
you can protect (hide) anything on client, just encrypt/encode it into complicated format to real human

Dual login: One login, 2 servers

Okay, this just feels plain nasty, but I've been directed to do it, and just wanted to run it past some people who actually have a clue, so they can point out all the massive holes in it.....so here goes.....
We've got this legacy site & a new public beta-test one. Apparently it's super cereal that moving from one to the other is seamless, so in a manner of speaking, we need a single signon solution.
As we're not allowed to put any serious development into the legacy site (It's also in old school ASP, a language I don't care to learn.) I can't do a proper single sign-on solution, so I proposed the following: On login, the legacy site performs an AJAX post to the login controller of the new beta site, logging the user in there, it then simply proceeds with the login on the legacy site as normal. This may not be acceptable as there's code to prevent a user from being logged on twice, I'm not sure if it's been written to apply across sites.
The other idea I had was to pass a salted hash of the user's details across with their username when they try to access the 2nd site. If the hash matches the details of the user, then access is granted. This would need ASP development obviously as generating the hash on the client side would only serve to enhance the idiocy even further.
Does anyone have any thoughts?
The old ASP site must have some concept of a session if it requires a logon. You will, at a minimum, need to understand how to provide the session information to the legacy site and splice some code in to keep it copacetic if both sites need to be kept up indefinitely.
"Classic" ASP isn't so bad if you can read/write VB6, VBA, VBScript or VB.net. It probably won't be difficult to graft session initialization provided the code is half way decent.
Consider creating a common logon page for both sites + either an automatic redirect based on either the requested URL (I'm guessing the old and new sites have distinct URLs) or cookies passed with the request (the old site, if it used cookies, could identify a legacy user). This common logon page could initialize session on both the legacy site (only if required by user type) and on the new site. This will allow you to keep your new logon process unencumbered by the legacy process while maintaining the old as long as required.
Bear in mind that your first approach (AJAX request from one site to the other) won't work if the sites are on different domains, because of javascript security restrictions.
You might be able to work around this by using a hidden iframe for the post like this, but it's getting a little hacky.

How do I uniquely identify computers visiting my web site?

I need to figure out a way uniquely identify each computer which visits the web site I am creating. Does anybody have any advice on how to achieve this?
Because i want the solution to work on all machines and all browsers (within reason) I am trying to create a solution using javascript.
Cookies will not do.
I need the ability to basically create a guid which is unique to a computer and repeatable, assuming no hardware changes have happened to the computer. Directions i am thinking of are getting the MAC of the network card and other information of this nature which will id the machine visiting the web site.
Introduction
I don't know if there is or ever will be a way to uniquely identify machines using a browser alone. The main reasons are:
You will need to save data on the users computer. This data can be
deleted by the user any time. Unless you have a way to recreate this
data which is unique for each and every machine then your stuck.
Validation. You need to guard against spoofing, session hijacking, etc.
Even if there are ways to track a computer without using cookies there will always be a way to bypass it and software that will do this automatically. If you really need to track something based on a computer you will have to write a native application (Apple Store / Android Store / Windows Program / etc).
I might not be able to give you an answer to the question you asked but I can show you how to implement session tracking. With session tracking you try to track the browsing session instead of the computer visiting your site. By tracking the session, your database schema will look like this:
sesssion:
sessionID: string
// Global session data goes here
computers: [{
BrowserID: string
ComputerID: string
FingerprintID: string
userID: string
authToken: string
ipAddresses: ["203.525....", "203.525...", ...]
// Computer session data goes here
}, ...]
Advantages of session based tracking:
For logged in users, you can always generate the same session id from the users username / password / email.
You can still track guest users using sessionID.
Even if several people use the same computer (ie cybercafe) you can track them separately if they log in.
Disadvantages of session based tracking:
Sessions are browser based and not computer based. If a user uses 2 different browsers it will result in 2 different sessions. If this is a problem you can stop reading here.
Sessions expire if user is not logged in. If a user is not logged in, then they will use a guest session which will be invalidated if user deletes cookies and browser cache.
Implementation
There are many ways of implementing this. I don't think I can cover them all I'll just list my favorite which would make this an opinionated answer. Bear that in mind.
Basics
I will track the session by using what is known as a forever cookie. This is data which will automagically recreate itself even if the user deletes his cookies or updates his browser. It will not however survive the user deleting both their cookies and their browsing cache.
To implement this I will use the browsers caching mechanism (RFC), WebStorage API (MDN) and browser cookies (RFC, Google Analytics).
Legal
In order to utilize tracking ids you need to add them to both your privacy policy and your terms of use preferably under the sub-heading Tracking. We will use the following keys on both document.cookie and window.localStorage:
_ga: Google Analytics data
__utma: Google Analytics tracking cookie
sid: SessionID
Make sure you include links to your Privacy policy and terms of use on all pages that use tracking.
Where do I store my session data?
You can either store your session data in your website database or on the users computer. Since I normally work on smaller sites (let than 10 thousand continuous connections) that use 3rd party applications (Google Analytics / Clicky / etc) it's best for me to store data on clients computer. This has the following advantages:
No database lookup / overhead / load / latency / space / etc.
User can delete their data whenever they want without the need to write me annoying emails.
and disadvantages:
Data has to be encrypted / decrypted and signed / verified which creates cpu overhead on client (not so bad) and server (bah!).
Data is deleted when user deletes their cookies and cache. (this is what I want really)
Data is unavailable for analytics when users go off-line. (analytics for currently browsing users only)
UUIDS
BrowserID: Unique id generated from the browsers user agent string. Browser|BrowserVersion|OS|OSVersion|Processor|MozzilaMajorVersion|GeckoMajorVersion
ComputerID: Generated from users IP Address and HTTPS session key.
getISP(requestIP)|getHTTPSClientKey()
FingerPrintID: JavaScript based fingerprinting based on a modified fingerprint.js. FingerPrint.get()
SessionID: Random key generated when user 1st visits site. BrowserID|ComputerID|randombytes(256)
GoogleID: Generated from __utma cookie. getCookie(__utma).uniqueid
Mechanism
The other day I was watching the wendy williams show with my girlfriend and was completely horrified when the host advised her viewers to delete their browser history at least once a month. Deleting browser history normally has the following effects:
Deletes history of visited websites.
Deletes cookies and window.localStorage (aww man).
Most modern browsers make this option readily available but fear not friends. For there is a solution. The browser has a caching mechanism to store scripts / images and other things. Usually even if we delete our history, this browser cache still remains. All we need is a way to store our data here. There are 2 methods of doing this. The better one is to use a SVG image and store our data inside its tags. This way data can still be extracted even if JavaScript is disabled using flash. However since that is a bit complicated I will demonstrate the other approach which uses JSONP (Wikipedia)
example.com/assets/js/tracking.js (actually tracking.php)
var now = new Date();
var window.__sid = "SessionID"; // Server generated
setCookie("sid", window.__sid, now.setFullYear(now.getFullYear() + 1, now.getMonth(), now.getDate() - 1));
if( "localStorage" in window ) {
window.localStorage.setItem("sid", window.__sid);
}
Now we can get our session key any time:
window.__sid || window.localStorage.getItem("sid") || getCookie("sid") || ""
How do I make tracking.js stick in browser?
We can achieve this using Cache-Control, Last-Modified and ETag HTTP headers. We can use the SessionID as value for etag header:
setHeaders({
"ETag": SessionID,
"Last-Modified": new Date(0).toUTCString(),
"Cache-Control": "private, max-age=31536000, s-max-age=31536000, must-revalidate"
})
Last-Modified header tells the browser that this file is basically never modified. Cache-Control tells proxies and gateways not to cache the document but tells the browser to cache it for 1 year.
The next time the browser requests the document, it will send If-Modified-Since and If-None-Match headers. We can use these to return a 304 Not Modified response.
example.com/assets/js/tracking.php
$sid = getHeader("If-None-Match") ?: getHeader("if-none-match") ?: getHeader("IF-NONE-MATCH") ?: "";
$ifModifiedSince = hasHeader("If-Modified-Since") ?: hasHeader("if-modified-since") ?: hasHeader("IF-MODIFIED-SINCE");
if( validateSession($sid) ) {
if( sessionExists($sid) ) {
continueSession($sid);
send304();
} else {
startSession($sid);
send304();
}
} else if( $ifModifiedSince ) {
send304();
} else {
startSession();
send200();
}
Now every time the browser requests tracking.js our server will respond with a 304 Not Modified result and force an execute of the local copy of tracking.js.
I still don't understand. Explain it to me
Lets suppose the user clears their browsing history and refreshes the page. The only thing left on the users computer is a copy of tracking.js in browser cache. When the browser requests tracking.js it recieves a 304 Not Modified response which causes it to execute the 1st version of tracking.js it recieved. tracking.js executes and restores the SessionID that was deleted.
Validation
Suppose Haxor X steals our customers cookies while they are still logged in. How do we protect them? Cryptography and Browser fingerprinting to the rescue. Remember our original definition for SessionID was:
BrowserID|ComputerID|randomBytes(256)
We can change this to:
Timestamp|BrowserID|ComputerID|encrypt(randomBytes(256), hk)|sign(Timestamp|BrowserID|ComputerID|randomBytes(256), hk)
Where hk = sign(Timestamp|BrowserID|ComputerID, serverKey).
Now we can validate our SessionID using the following algorithm:
if( getTimestamp($sid) is older than 1 year ) return false;
if( getBrowserID($sid) !== createBrowserID($_Request, $_Server) ) return false;
if( getComputerID($sid) !== createComputerID($_Request, $_Server) return false;
$hk = sign(getTimestamp($sid) + getBrowserID($sid) + getComputerID($sid), $SERVER["key"]);
if( !verify(getTimestamp($sid) + getBrowserID($sid) + getComputerID($sid) + decrypt(getRandomBytes($sid), hk), getSignature($sid), $hk) ) return false;
return true;
Now in order for Haxor's attack to work they must:
Have same ComputerID. That means they have to have the same ISP provider as victim (Tricky). This will give our victim the opportunity to take legal action in their own country. Haxor must also obtain HTTPS session key from victim (Hard).
Have same BrowserID. Anyone can spoof User-Agent string (Annoying).
Be able to create their own fake SessionID (Very Hard). Volume atacks won't work because we use a time-stamp to generate encryption / signing key so basically its like generating a new key for each session. On top of that we encrypt random bytes so a simple dictionary attack is also out of the question.
We can improve validation by forwarding GoogleID and FingerprintID (via ajax or hidden fields) and matching against those.
if( GoogleID != getStoredGoodleID($sid) ) return false;
if( byte_difference(FingerPrintID, getStoredFingerprint($sid) > 10%) return false;
These people have developed a fingerprinting method for recognising a user with a high level of accuracy:
https://panopticlick.eff.org/static/browser-uniqueness.pdf
We investigate the degree to which modern web browsers
are subject to “device fingerprinting” via the version and configuration information that they will transmit to websites upon request. We
implemented one possible fingerprinting algorithm, and collected these
fingerprints from a large sample of browsers that visited our test side,
panopticlick.eff.org. We observe that the distribution of our finger-
print contains at least 18.1 bits of entropy, meaning that if we pick a
browser at random, at best we expect that only one in 286,777 other
browsers will share its fingerprint. Among browsers that support Flash
or Java, the situation is worse, with the average browser carrying at least
18.8 bits of identifying information. 94.2% of browsers with Flash or Java
were unique in our sample.
By observing returning visitors, we estimate how rapidly browser fingerprints might change over time. In our sample, fingerprints changed quite
rapidly, but even a simple heuristic was usually able to guess when a fingerprint was an “upgraded” version of a previously observed browser’s
fingerprint, with 99.1% of guesses correct and a false positive rate of only
0.86%.
We discuss what privacy threat browser fingerprinting poses in practice,
and what countermeasures may be appropriate to prevent it. There is a
tradeoff between protection against fingerprintability and certain kinds of
debuggability, which in current browsers is weighted heavily against privacy. Paradoxically, anti-fingerprinting privacy technologies can be self-
defeating if they are not used by a sufficient number of people; we show
that some privacy measures currently fall victim to this paradox, but
others do not.
It's not possible to identify the computers accessing a web site without the cooperation of their owners. If they let you, however, you can store a cookie to identify the machine when it visits your site again. The key is, the visitor is in control; they can remove the cookie and appear as a new visitor any time they wish.
A possibility is using flash cookies:
Ubiquitous availability (95 percent of visitors will probably have flash)
You can store more data per cookie (up to 100 KB)
Shared across browsers, so more likely to uniquely identify a machine
Clearing the browser cookies does not remove the flash cookies.
You'll need to build a small (hidden) flash movie to read and write them.
Whatever route you pick, make sure your users opt IN to being tracked, otherwise you're invading their privacy and become one of the bad guys.
There is a popular method called canvas fingerprinting, described in this scientific article: The Web Never Forgets:
Persistent Tracking Mechanisms in the Wild. Once you start looking for it, you'll be surprised how frequently it is used. The method creates a unique fingerprint, which is consistent for each browser/hardware combination.
The article also reviews other persistent tracking methods, like evercookies, respawning http and Flash cookies, and cookie syncing.
More info about canvas fingerprinting here:
Pixel Perfect: Fingerprinting Canvas in HTML5
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canvas_fingerprinting
You may want to try setting a unique ID in an evercookie (it will work cross browser, see their FAQs):
http://samy.pl/evercookie/
There is also a company called ThreatMetrix that is used by a lot of big companies to solve this problem:
http://threatmetrix.com/our-solutions/solutions-by-product/trustdefender-id/
They are quite expensive and some of their other products aren't very good, but their device id works well.
Finally, there is this open source jquery implementation of the panopticlick idea:
https://github.com/carlo/jquery-browser-fingerprint
It looks pretty half baked right now but could be expanded upon.
Hope it helps!
There is only a small amount of information that you can get via an HTTP connection.
IP - But as others have said, this is not fixed for many, if not most Internet users due to their ISP's dynamic allocation policies.
Useragent String - Nearly all browsers send what kind of browser they are with every request. However, this can be set by the user in many browsers today.
Collection of request fields - There are other fields sent with each request, such as supported encodings, etc. These, if used in the aggregate can help to ID a user's machine, but again are browser dependent and can be changed.
Cookies - Setting a cookie is another way to identify a machine, or more specifically a browser on a machine, but as others have said, these can be deleted, or turned off by the users, and are only applicable on a browser, not a machine.
So, the correct response is that you cannot achieve what you would live via the HTTP over IP protocols alone. However, using a combination of cookies, as well as IP, and the fields in the HTTP request, you have a good chance at guessing, sort of, what machine it is. Users tend to use only one browser, and often from one machine, so this may be fairly relieable, but this will vary depending on the audience...techies are more likely to mess with this stuff, and use more machines/browsers. Additionally, this could even be coupled with some attempt to geo-locate the IP, and use that data as well. But in any case, there is no solution that will be correct all of the time.
There are flaws with both cookie and non-cookie approaches. But if you can forgive the shortcomings of the cookie approach, here's an idea.
If you're already using Google Analytics on your site, then you don't need to write code to track unique users yourself. Google Analytics does that for you via the __utma cookie value, as described in Google's documentation. And by reusing this value you're not creating additional cookie payload, which has efficiency benefits with page requests.
And you could write some code easily enough to access that value, or use this script's getUniqueId() function.
As with the previous solutions cookies are a good method, be aware that they identify browsers though. If I visited a website in Firefox and then in Internet Explorer cookies would be stored for both attempts seperately. Some users also disable cookies (but more people disable JavaScript).
Another method to consider would be I.P. and hostname identification (be aware these can vary for dial-up/non-static IP users, AOL also uses blanket IPs). However since this only identifies networks this might not work as well as cookies.
The suggestions to use cookies aside, the only comprehensive set of identifying attributes available to interrogate are contained in the HTTP request header. So it is possible to use some subset of these to create a pseudo-unique identifier for a user agent (i.e., browser). Further, most of this information is possibly already being logged in the so-called "access log" of your web server software by default and, if not, can be easily configured to do so. Then, a utlity could be developed that simply scans the content of this log, creating fingerprints of each request comprised of, say, the IP address and User Agent string, etc. The more data available, even including the contents of specific cookies, adds to the quality of the uniqueness of this fingerprint. Though, as many others have stated already, the HTTP protocol doesn't make this 100% foolproof - at best it can only be a fairly good indicator.
When i use a machine which has never visited my online banking web site i get asked for additional authentification. then, if i go back a second time to the online banking site i dont get asked the additional authentification...i deleted all cookies in IE and relogged onto my online banking site fully expecting to be asked the authentification questions again. to my surprise i was not asked. doesnt this lead one to believe the bank is doing some kind of pc tagging which doesnt involve cookies?
This is a pretty common type of authentication used by banks.
Say you're accessing your bank website via example-isp.com. The first time you're there, you'll be asked for your password, as well as additional authentication. Once you've passed, the bank knows that user "thatisvaliant" is authenticated to access the site via example-isp.com.
In the future, it won't ask for extra authentication (beyond your password) when you're accessing the site via example-isp.com. If you try to access the bank via another-isp.com, the bank will go through the same routine again.
So to summarize, what the bank's identifying is your ISP and/or netblock, based on your IP address. Obviously not every user at your ISP is you, which is why the bank still asks you for your password.
Have you ever had a credit card company call to verify that things are OK when you use a credit card in a different country? Same concept.
Really, what you want to do cannot be done because the protocols do not allow for this. If static IPs were universally used then you might be able to do it. They are not, so you cannot.
If you really want to identify people, have them log in.
Since they will probably be moving around to different pages on your web site, you need a way to keep track of them as they move about.
So long as they are logged in, and you are tracking their session within your site via cookies/link-parameters/beacons/whatever, you can be pretty sure that they are using the same computer during that time.
Ultimately, it is incorrect to say this tells you which computer they are using if your users are not using your own local network and do not have static IP addresses.
If what you want to do is being done with the cooperation of the users and there is only one user per cookie and they use a single web browser, just use a cookie.
You can use fingerprintjs2
new Fingerprint2().get(function(result, components) {
console.log(result) // a hash, representing your device fingerprint
console.log(components) // an array of FP components
//submit hash and JSON object to the server
})
After that you can check all your users against existing and check JSON similarity, so even if their fingerprint mutates, you still can track them
Because i want the solution to work on all machines and all browsers (within reason) I am trying to create a solution using javascript.
Isn't that a really good reason not to use javascript?
As others have said - cookies are probably your best option - just be aware of the limitations.
I guess the verdict is i cannot programmatically uniquely identify a computer which is visiting my web site.
I have the following question. When i use a machine which has never visited my online banking web site i get asked for additional authentification. then, if i go back a second time to the online banking site i dont get asked the additional authentification. reading the answers to my question i decided it must be a cookie involved. therefore, i deleted all cookies in IE and relogged onto my online banking site fully expecting to be asked the authentification questions again. to my surprise i was not asked. doesnt this lead one to believe the bank is doing some kind of pc tagging which doesnt involve cookies?
further, after much googling today i found the following company who claims to sell a solution which does uniquely identify machines which visit a web site. http://www.the41.com/products.asp.
i appreciate all the good information if you could clarify further this conflicting information i found i would greatly appreciate it.
I would do this using a combination of cookies and flash cookies. Create a GUID and store it in a cookie. If the cookie doesn't exist, try to read it from the flash cookie. If it's still not found, create it and write it to the flash cookie. This way you can share the same GUID across browsers.
I think cookies might be what you are looking for; this is how most websites uniquely identify visitors.
Cookies won't be useful for determining unique visitors. A user could clear cookies and refresh the site - he then is classed as a new user again.
I think that the best way to go about doing this is to implement a server side solution (as you will need somewhere to store your data). Depending on the complexity of your needs for such data, you will need to determine what is classed as a unique visit. A sensible method would be to allow an IP address to return the following day and be given a unique visit. Several visits from one IP address in one day shouldn't be counted as uniques.
Using PHP, for example, it is trivial to get the IP address of a visitor, and store it in a text file (or a sql database).
A server side solution will work on all machines, because you are going to track the user when he first loads up your site. Don't use javascript, as that is meant for client side scripting, plus the user may have disabled it in any case.
Hope that helps.
I will give my ideas starting from simpler to more complex.
In all the above you can create sessions and the problem essentialy translates to match session with request.
a) (difficulty: easy) use client hardware to store explicitely a session id/hash of some sort (there are quite some privace/security issues so make sure you hash anything you store ), solutions include:
cookies storage
browser storage/webDB/ (more exotic browser solutions )
extensions with permission to store things in files.
The above suffer from the fact the the user can just empty his cache in case he doesn want.
b) (difficulty: medium) Login based authentication.
Most modern web frameworks provide such solution the core idea is you let the user voluntarily identify himself, quite straghtforward but adds complexity in the architecture.
The above suffer from additional complexity and making essentially non public content.
c)(difficulty: hard -R&D) Identification based on metadata, (browser ip/language /browser / and other privace invasice stuff so make sure you let your users know or you miay get sued )
non perfect solution can get more complicated (a user typing with specific frequency or using mouse with specific patterns ? you even apply ML solutions ).
The claimed solutions
The most powerful since the user even without wanting explicitely he can be identified. It is straight invasion of privacy(see GDPR) and not perfect eg. ip can change .
Assuming you don't want the user to be in control, you can't. The web doesn't work like that, the best you can hope for is some heuristics.
If it is an option to force your visitor to install some software and use TCPA you may be able to pull something off.
My post might not be a solution, but I can provide an example, where this feature has been implemented.
If you visit the signup page of www.supertorrents.org for the first time from you computer, it's fine. But if you refresh the page or open the page again, it identifies you've previously visited the page. The real beauty comes here - it identifies even if you re-install Windows or other OS.
I read somewhere that they store the CPU ID. Although I couldn't find how do they do it, I seriously doubt it, and they might use MAC Address to do it.
I'll definitely share if I find how to do it.
A Trick:
Create 2 Registration Pages:
First Registration Page: without any email or security check (just with username and password)
Second Registration Page: with high security level (email verification request and security image and etc.)
For customer satisfaction, and easy registration, default
registration page should be the (First Registration Page) but in the
(First Registration Page) there is a hidden restriction. It's IP
Restriction. If an IP tried to register for second time, (for example less than 1 hour) instead of
showing the block page. you can show the (Second Registration Page)
automatically.
in the (First Registration Page) you can set (for example: block 2
attempts from 1 ip for just 1 hour or 24 hours) and after (for example) 1 hour, you can open access from that ip automatically
Please note: (First Registration Page) and (Second Registration Page) should not be in separated pages. you make just 1 page. (for example: register.php) and make it smart to switch between First PHP Style and Second PHP Style

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