To clarify when I ask about browser to browser communication I mean without a server in between forwarding message. I would like to implement something like this for a game. If p2p in websockets isn't possible are there similar alternatives? Any help is appreciated.
No. Browsers can only initiate WebSockets connections, not receive them. The W3C browser API spec only defines how to start an outbound connection.
You can make an application that would both initiate and accept WebSockets connections, but browsers do not do this.
You might look at Pusher App which you could use to build a WebSockets application with multiple clients. The service provides up to 20 simultaneous WebSockets clients for free (you can pay for higher scaling).
Update:
The WebRTC protocol and API is making rapid progress and allows a Data Channel to be established between two peers (you still may need a STUN/TURN server for the initial NAT traversal and setup).
In theory it is possible with WebRTC DataChannel:
RTCDataChannel is a WebRTC API for high performance, low latency,
peer-to-peer communication of arbritary data. The API is
simple—similar to WebSocket—but communication occurs directly between
browsers, so RTCDataChannel can be much faster than WebSocket even if
a relay (TURN) server is required (when 'hole punching' to cope with
firewalls and NATs fails).
"In theory" because it isn't supported by a stable browser yet and you still need a relay server (TURN) if one of the browsers is behind a symmetric NAT. Nevertheless, it is a really promising feature.
Update: Chrome 26 and Firefox 22 support RTCDataChannel by default and Firefox 19-21 if you enable WebRTC by setting media.peerconnection.enabled to true (about:config).
I was reading about websocket and peer 2 peer and found PeerJS.
I still haven't made anything though, but by the examples it looks promising.
Now days it's possible, currently only Chrome,FF and Opera support it (desktop).
There's some libraries starting to pop up around the web right now, such as PeerJS and js-platform-p2p which pretty much simplifies things.
Simple and reliable cross browser supported way is to use http://httprelay.io with AJAX calls. It is also implements one to many communication what could be useful for game development.
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I want to implement a service for a great number of devices. This service should be able to send/receive (small - max 1kB) messages between server and client, but also p2p between device and device.
For now I am thinking about achieving this with MQTT, as it seems to be a lightweight low traffic generating protocol. As stated in this question XMPP might also be an alternative, but I'm not sure if this is giving me the performance I need.
Summarized I have the following expectations for the protocol:
Small Overhead
Small Payload
High number of clients (starting with 100.000)
Handles unstable network connection
Scalability for example by using multiple broker instances
P2P Connections between clients (could be solved with an involved server)
If possible open source implementations in Java, JavaScript and C++
Is MQTT the right approach for me or should I better look at some alternatives? Please keep also in mind that I would need to create a highly scalable service.
I think all your expectations except for 6. can be fulfilled with MQTT if you use it the right way. You should have a look at http://www.eclipse.org/paho/ and http://mosquitto.org/ for OpenSource implementations.
As MQTT has a publish-subscribe architecture where every message is send to and distributed by the message broker (server), P2P might be a problem. You could use a dedicated topic for every connection between two clients, but the messages would still have to pass through a message broker.
As a workaround, you could negotiate a P2P connection between clients over MQTT and then use the negotiated channel with another protocol.
As leikes said, with MQTT you have all the features you need and the point 6 is achieved using a broker.
The big lack for MQTT is that it doesn't support request/reply pattern natively (like HTTP or AMQP) but a full support for publish/subscribe pattern.
Of course, if you need request/reply you need to do it into a layer above the protocol itself defining right topics and payload to create a matching/correlation logic between request and response.
Paolo.
What I have :
A C++ application server running, Ready to send data to client which is supposed to a HTML5 page or app.
What I want : Is there any way to communicate using udp port with HTML5 given both c++ server and HTML5 app are local to system ?
What I know :
Because of Security Concern, JS doesn't allow UDP port communication from browser.
Have read in many places, Answer is no. But answers are old.
Is the answer still 'NO' ?
Is there any work-around possible ?
Any lead is appreciated.
Yes, the answer is still 'no'. Websockets are TCP based. Note that a WebSocket is not a plain TCP connection, there is HTTP negotiation and a framing protocol in place. So you also cannot create a plain TCP connection in Javascript.
WebRTC is based on UDP, it may cover your use cases: http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/webrtc/datachannels/
Chrome now seems to have something: https://developer.chrome.com/apps/sockets_udp
It looks like UDP for web is still an active area of development and potential standards creation. Posting this answer to record some new info current as of May 2020.
The following whitepaper has outlined a potential path forward that satisfies the security needs for an "unreliable-unordered" protocol: https://gafferongames.com/post/why_cant_i_send_udp_packets_from_a_browser/
There are extensions to desktop Chrome and desktop Firefox that are in active development.
https://github.com/RedpointGames/netcode.io-browser
The way mobile browsers are designed prevents this kind of modification from being added at present (good security reasons again) but could be added down the road.
This is a major issue for gamers. See that link for a discussion of websockets, webrtc, quic (in chrome), and the author's netcode.io
You could alternatively create an additional python local server for bridging the data between your C++ application and webpage.
The html5 webpage connects to a local port that allows a web socket connection (use Flask/tornado).
The C++ application connects to a UDP listener on a different port. See https://wiki.python.org/moin/UdpCommunication to setup.
The python server basically forms a transparent data bridge between UDP port to websocket connection .
After reading all the links and comments, we can conclude:
NO, YOU CAN'T SEND THE UPD PACKAGE FROM THE BROWSER.
And you probably won't, because adding such a feature would be a giant leap backwards in web security.
You could possibly use a work around, design a program/script/server(I would use PHP, being a html client) to get the UDP gram from the server, if you would like I could help, I have worked on something similar.
I'm new to WebRTC, actually just heard about it a few days ago and I've read a lot about it. However, I still have a few questions.
What do I need to explore the usage of WebRTC? E.g.: do I need a server, any libraries etc.? I'm aware that new version of Chrome and Firefox support WebRTC, but besides these two browsers, is there anything else that is necessary?
What is the main purpose of WebRTC when addressing practical usage? To video chat? Audio chat? What about text-chatting?
Does WebRTC need a server for any kind of browser-to-browser interaction? I've seen some libraries, such as PeerJS that don't explicitly mention any kind of server... so is it possible to connect two clients directly? There's also a PeerServer, which supposedly helps broker connections between PeerJS clients. Can I use WebRTC without such a server?
What are the most commonly used libraries for WebRTC?
What's a good starting point for someone who's totally new in WebRTC? I'd like to setup a basic google-talk kind of service, to chat with one person.
Thank you so much guys.
You can find many docs here E.g. this one, this one and this one!
You can find a few libraries here.
A simple multi-user WebRTC app needs following things:
Signalling server to exchange sdp/ice/etc. ---- e.g. socket.io/websockets/xmpp/sip/XHR/etc.
ICE server i.e. STUN and/or TURN; to make sure Firewalls doesn't block UDP/TCP ports
JavaScript app to access/invoke RTCWeb JavaScript API i.e. RTCPeerConnection.
It just takes a few minutes to setup WebRTC peer-to-peer connection. You can setup peer-to-server connections as well where media-servers can be used to transcode/record/merge streams; or to relay to PSTN networks.
WebRTC DataChannels can be used for gaming, webpage synchronizing; fetching static contents, peer-to-peer or peer-to-server data transmission, etc.
What do I need to explore the usage of WebRTC? E.g.: do I need a
server, any libraries etc.? I'm aware that new version of Chrome and
Firefox support WebRTC, but besides these two browsers, is there
anything else that is necessary?
WebRTC it is JavaScript API for web developers which can be used for audio and video streaming.
But there are 2 notices:
You need a signaling path.
For example, if your first user is Alice using Firefox and second user is Bob using Chrome,
they should negotiate used codecs and streams.
WebRTC does not offer the signalling implementation. So you need to implement the signaling yourself. It is quite simple. You need to send SDP(stream config) to participant and receive an SDP answer. You can use plain HTTP via apahe server or use Websockets or any other transport to negotiate SDP.
So, it seems you need an intermediary signaling server workning with websockets or HTTP/HTTPS.
Once you negotiated the streams you are sending your audio or video stream, but the distanation user might have a simmetric NAT. It means that you stream will not be delivered to the target user. In such situation you need a TURN server to traverse the NAT.
Finally you will need 2 server-side logic items:
1) Signaling server
2) TURN or proxy server
To start, take a look Web Call Server.
The server implements HTML5 Websocket signaling and SRTP proxying as a TURN server.
You can also learn the webrtc application open source code.
First steps:
1. Download the signaling and streaming server.
2. Download and unzip web client.
3. Start the web client and debug javascript code to learn more how webrtc works.
Is it possible to use WebRTC Data Channels on Node.js in a way that mimics the functionality (and preferably API) of Socket.io (WebSockets) except using UDP?
In essence I want to have a server running Node.js with which browser clients can establish a full duplex bi directional UDP connection via JavaScript.
There is a WebRTC module for node.js: https://js-platform.github.io/node-webrtc/
The installation can be really cumbersome (to say the least) but if you succeed you'll be able to make your node.js server act as a WebRTC peer just as browsers do. This way you'd be able to open a Data Channel between a browser and your node.js server.
We have this in use in our research project to evaluate performance characteristics.
Yes, in theory you should be able to to do this. However, you'll need a node module that supports WebRTC data channels, so that you can connect to it like any other peer. Unfortunately, scanning through the current modules, I don't see one that implements the data channel.
The other thing to note is the WebRTC data channels can be configured for different reliability modes with the reliable mode being implemented with SCTP (Firefox and Chrome).
When testing the data channels I would recommend using Firefox since the WebRTC work was split such that Chrome initially focused on PeerConnection and Firefox on DataChannel (so Firefox is still ahead in their implementation of the DataChannel).
Are there websocket libraries (like ajax for jquery) I can use on the browsers with fallback to ajax long polling?
I found that Socket.IO implements a weird, arbitrary layer over the WebSocket protocol. I'd rather just pass raw data back and forth, so for my project, I went with web-socket-js.
web-socket-js works similarly to Socket.IO in that it reverts to using Flash sockets if WebSocket support is unavailable. Thus, it works in all the major browsers that support Flash (I tested this myself).
Just make sure you open port 843 in your firewall or you'll get a Flash security policy error. You'll probably need a script to listen on port 843 as well...I used em-websocket for the socket server, and in its readme I believe is a link to a Perl script that provides this.
Library with WebSockets support and fallback long polling solution would probably depend also on server side technology and not only browser client. Try to look at socket.io for example.
I have been using SignalR for the last several months, and it is awesome. It does what Socket.IO does, but maybe even better. It degrades as follows: Web Sockets, Server Sent Events, Forever Frame, AJAX long polling. Only works with .NET though.
https://github.com/SignalR/SignalR/wiki/Faq
Yes, you'll need server support for that as well. Kaazing WebSocket Gateway supports a very fast emulation/Polyfill. If you have a plugin like Flash it may use that (opportunistic optimization), but if you don't it emulates WebSocket with encrypted streaming, which is a lot more efficient than long polling. It comes with SSE and Cross Document Messaging support and emulation as well, as well as many higher level protocol abstractions (JMS/Stomp, XMPP, etc.)
Union Server has WebSocket support with fallback to comet-style AJAX communication. Union is a platform for creating connected applications, such as online multiplayer games.
http://www.unionplatform.com